{"id":8476,"date":"2018-02-14T06:10:56","date_gmt":"2018-02-14T06:10:56","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.mundusmaris.org\/sin-categorizar\/interview-with-f-soumah-leader-of-artisanal-fishers\/"},"modified":"2024-10-25T12:43:27","modified_gmt":"2024-10-25T12:43:27","slug":"interview-with-f-soumah-leader-of-artisanal-fishers","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.mundusmaris.org\/es\/entre-tradicion-y-modernidad\/interview-with-f-soumah-leader-of-artisanal-fishers\/","title":{"rendered":"Interview with F. Soumah, leader of artisanal fishers"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"fusion-fullwidth fullwidth-box fusion-builder-row-1 fusion-flex-container has-pattern-background has-mask-background nonhundred-percent-fullwidth non-hundred-percent-height-scrolling\" style=\"--awb-border-radius-top-left:0px;--awb-border-radius-top-right:0px;--awb-border-radius-bottom-right:0px;--awb-border-radius-bottom-left:0px;--awb-flex-wrap:wrap;\" ><div class=\"fusion-builder-row fusion-row fusion-flex-align-items-flex-start fusion-flex-content-wrap\" style=\"max-width:1248px;margin-left: calc(-4% \/ 2 );margin-right: calc(-4% \/ 2 );\"><div class=\"fusion-layout-column fusion_builder_column fusion-builder-column-0 fusion_builder_column_1_2 1_2 fusion-flex-column\" style=\"--awb-bg-size:cover;--awb-width-large:50%;--awb-margin-top-large:0px;--awb-spacing-right-large:3.84%;--awb-margin-bottom-large:20px;--awb-spacing-left-large:3.84%;--awb-width-medium:50%;--awb-order-medium:0;--awb-spacing-right-medium:3.84%;--awb-spacing-left-medium:3.84%;--awb-width-small:100%;--awb-order-small:0;--awb-spacing-right-small:1.92%;--awb-spacing-left-small:1.92%;\"><div class=\"fusion-column-wrapper fusion-column-has-shadow fusion-flex-justify-content-flex-start fusion-content-layout-column\"><div class=\"fusion-text fusion-text-1\"><p>Mr Faneyawa Soumah\u00a0<span id=\"result_box\" class=\"\" lang=\"en\">is a fisherman. At over 70 years old, he is a little atypical in that his age does not at all stop him from being omnipresent all day long on the platform of the Boulbinet port in Guinea in order to settle various types of conflicts between port users, but also between them and the fisheries administration.\u00a0<span class=\"\">He is commonly called Dean for his age, but also for his great skill to settle conflicts where the administration would have difficulties given the social and political character of the artisanal fishery.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<\/div><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-layout-column fusion_builder_column fusion-builder-column-1 fusion_builder_column_1_2 1_2 fusion-flex-column\" style=\"--awb-bg-size:cover;--awb-width-large:50%;--awb-margin-top-large:0px;--awb-spacing-right-large:3.84%;--awb-margin-bottom-large:20px;--awb-spacing-left-large:3.84%;--awb-width-medium:50%;--awb-order-medium:0;--awb-spacing-right-medium:3.84%;--awb-spacing-left-medium:3.84%;--awb-width-small:100%;--awb-order-small:0;--awb-spacing-right-small:1.92%;--awb-spacing-left-small:1.92%;\"><div class=\"fusion-column-wrapper fusion-column-has-shadow fusion-flex-justify-content-flex-start fusion-content-layout-column\"><div class=\"fusion-image-element \" style=\"text-align:center;--awb-caption-title-font-family:var(--h2_typography-font-family);--awb-caption-title-font-weight:var(--h2_typography-font-weight);--awb-caption-title-font-style:var(--h2_typography-font-style);--awb-caption-title-size:var(--h2_typography-font-size);--awb-caption-title-transform:var(--h2_typography-text-transform);--awb-caption-title-line-height:var(--h2_typography-line-height);--awb-caption-title-letter-spacing:var(--h2_typography-letter-spacing);\"><span class=\" fusion-imageframe imageframe-none imageframe-1 hover-type-none\"><img decoding=\"async\" width=\"399\" height=\"301\" src=\"https:\/\/www.mundusmaris.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/FaneyawaSoumah.jpg\" alt class=\"img-responsive wp-image-4681\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.mundusmaris.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/FaneyawaSoumah-200x151.jpg 200w, https:\/\/www.mundusmaris.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/FaneyawaSoumah.jpg 399w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 640px) 100vw, 399px\" \/><\/span><\/div><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-layout-column fusion_builder_column fusion-builder-column-2 fusion_builder_column_1_1 1_1 fusion-flex-column\" style=\"--awb-bg-size:cover;--awb-width-large:100%;--awb-margin-top-large:0px;--awb-spacing-right-large:1.92%;--awb-margin-bottom-large:20px;--awb-spacing-left-large:1.92%;--awb-width-medium:100%;--awb-order-medium:0;--awb-spacing-right-medium:1.92%;--awb-spacing-left-medium:1.92%;--awb-width-small:100%;--awb-order-small:0;--awb-spacing-right-small:1.92%;--awb-spacing-left-small:1.92%;\"><div class=\"fusion-column-wrapper fusion-column-has-shadow fusion-flex-justify-content-flex-start fusion-content-layout-column\"><div class=\"fusion-text fusion-text-2\"><p><span class=\"\">On the sidelines of the\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/archive.mundusmaris.org\/index.php\/en\/projects\/2017\/1824-prcm-en\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">9th Forum of the Regional Partnership<\/a>\u00a0for the Conservation of Coastal and Marine Areas in West Africa (PRCM) held from 23 to 27 October 2017, Mundus maris interviewed him about the different roles of the oceans, their\u00a0<span id=\"result_box\" class=\"\" lang=\"en\">current\u00a0<\/span>state of<\/span>\u00a0health and the actions to be considered to reverse the trend.<\/p>\n<\/div><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-layout-column fusion_builder_column fusion-builder-column-3 fusion_builder_column_1_2 1_2 fusion-flex-column\" style=\"--awb-bg-size:cover;--awb-width-large:50%;--awb-margin-top-large:0px;--awb-spacing-right-large:3.84%;--awb-margin-bottom-large:20px;--awb-spacing-left-large:3.84%;--awb-width-medium:50%;--awb-order-medium:0;--awb-spacing-right-medium:3.84%;--awb-spacing-left-medium:3.84%;--awb-width-small:100%;--awb-order-small:0;--awb-spacing-right-small:1.92%;--awb-spacing-left-small:1.92%;\"><div class=\"fusion-column-wrapper fusion-column-has-shadow fusion-flex-justify-content-flex-start fusion-content-layout-column\"><div class=\"fusion-text fusion-text-3\"><p><strong>MM<\/strong>: Good morning Dean Soumah, would you please introduce yourself?<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"\"><strong>Dean Soumah<\/strong>: My name is Faneyawa Soumah. I am the national coordinator of artisanal fisheries landing sites in Guinea.<\/span>\u00a0<span class=\"\">But as you can see, my headquarters is here in Boulbinet.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><strong>MM<\/strong>: What connects you to the ocean? Why are you so actively involved?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dean Soumah<\/strong>:\u00a0<span id=\"result_box\" class=\"\" lang=\"en\"><span title=\"Notre lien avec la mer (donc avec l\u2019oc\u00e9an) il est d\u2019abord d\u2019ordre culturel.\">Our link with the sea (thus with the ocean) is first of all cultural in nature.\u00a0<\/span><span title=\"Ceux, qui ne connaissent pas tr\u00e8s bien la relation entre les gens de mer et la mer, ne voient qu\u2019une relation \u00e9conomique.\">Those who are unfamiliar with the relationship between seafarers and the sea only see an economic relationship.\u00a0<\/span><span title=\"Il est vrai que nous gagnons des revenus gr\u00e2ce \u00e0 la g\u00e9n\u00e9rosit\u00e9 de la mer ou, si vous voulez, des oc\u00e9ans qui nous donnent du poisson, des mollusques que nous vendons pour subvenir \u00e0 des besoins.\">It is true that we are earning income from the bounty of the sea or, if you will, from the oceans that give us fish and shellfish that we sell to meet our needs.\u00a0<\/span><span title=\"Par exemple, beaucoup de p\u00eacheurs et de femmes que vous voyez autour de nous s\u2019habillent, se nourrissent, envoient leurs enfants \u00e0 l\u2019\u00e9cole gr\u00e2ce \u00e0 cette g\u00e9n\u00e9rosit\u00e9 des oc\u00e9ans.\">For example, many fishermen and women you see around us dress, feed, send their children to school thanks to this generosity of the oceans.\u00a0<\/span><span title=\"Ah oui, c\u2019est vrai, mais la dimension culturelle est constante.\">Oh yes, that&#8217;s true, but the cultural dimension is constants there as well.\u00a0<\/span><\/span><span id=\"result_box\" class=\"\" lang=\"en\"><\/span><\/p>\n<\/div><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-layout-column fusion_builder_column fusion-builder-column-4 fusion_builder_column_1_2 1_2 fusion-flex-column\" style=\"--awb-bg-size:cover;--awb-width-large:50%;--awb-margin-top-large:0px;--awb-spacing-right-large:3.84%;--awb-margin-bottom-large:20px;--awb-spacing-left-large:3.84%;--awb-width-medium:50%;--awb-order-medium:0;--awb-spacing-right-medium:3.84%;--awb-spacing-left-medium:3.84%;--awb-width-small:100%;--awb-order-small:0;--awb-spacing-right-small:1.92%;--awb-spacing-left-small:1.92%;\"><div class=\"fusion-column-wrapper fusion-column-has-shadow fusion-flex-justify-content-flex-start fusion-content-layout-column\"><div class=\"fusion-image-element \" style=\"text-align:center;--awb-margin-bottom:30px;--awb-caption-title-font-family:var(--h2_typography-font-family);--awb-caption-title-font-weight:var(--h2_typography-font-weight);--awb-caption-title-font-style:var(--h2_typography-font-style);--awb-caption-title-size:var(--h2_typography-font-size);--awb-caption-title-transform:var(--h2_typography-text-transform);--awb-caption-title-line-height:var(--h2_typography-line-height);--awb-caption-title-letter-spacing:var(--h2_typography-letter-spacing);\"><span class=\" fusion-imageframe imageframe-none imageframe-2 hover-type-none\"><img decoding=\"async\" width=\"400\" height=\"299\" src=\"https:\/\/www.mundusmaris.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/Boulbinet.jpg\" alt class=\"img-responsive wp-image-4686\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.mundusmaris.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/Boulbinet-200x150.jpg 200w, https:\/\/www.mundusmaris.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/Boulbinet.jpg 400w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 640px) 100vw, 400px\" \/><\/span><\/div><div class=\"fusion-image-element \" style=\"text-align:center;--awb-margin-bottom:30px;--awb-caption-title-font-family:var(--h2_typography-font-family);--awb-caption-title-font-weight:var(--h2_typography-font-weight);--awb-caption-title-font-style:var(--h2_typography-font-style);--awb-caption-title-size:var(--h2_typography-font-size);--awb-caption-title-transform:var(--h2_typography-text-transform);--awb-caption-title-line-height:var(--h2_typography-line-height);--awb-caption-title-letter-spacing:var(--h2_typography-letter-spacing);\"><span class=\" fusion-imageframe imageframe-none imageframe-3 hover-type-none\"><img decoding=\"async\" width=\"400\" height=\"301\" src=\"https:\/\/www.mundusmaris.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/StreetRestaurant.jpg\" alt class=\"img-responsive wp-image-4692\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.mundusmaris.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/StreetRestaurant-200x151.jpg 200w, https:\/\/www.mundusmaris.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/StreetRestaurant.jpg 400w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 640px) 100vw, 400px\" \/><\/span><\/div><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-layout-column fusion_builder_column fusion-builder-column-5 fusion_builder_column_1_1 1_1 fusion-flex-column\" style=\"--awb-bg-size:cover;--awb-width-large:100%;--awb-margin-top-large:0px;--awb-spacing-right-large:1.92%;--awb-margin-bottom-large:20px;--awb-spacing-left-large:1.92%;--awb-width-medium:100%;--awb-order-medium:0;--awb-spacing-right-medium:1.92%;--awb-spacing-left-medium:1.92%;--awb-width-small:100%;--awb-order-small:0;--awb-spacing-right-small:1.92%;--awb-spacing-left-small:1.92%;\"><div class=\"fusion-column-wrapper fusion-column-has-shadow fusion-flex-justify-content-flex-start fusion-content-layout-column\"><div class=\"fusion-text fusion-text-4\"><p><span id=\"result_box\" class=\"\" lang=\"en\"><span title=\"Notre lien avec la mer est profond.\">Our connection with the sea is deep.\u00a0<\/span><span title=\"Quand vous venez d\u2019arriver sur le quai, vous \u00eates all\u00e9 \u00e0 mon bureau et on vous a dit, que j\u2019\u00e9tais sur le quai pour r\u00e9gler un probl\u00e8me.\">When you arrived on the platform, you went to my office and were told that I was on the dock to fix a problem.\u00a0<\/span><span title=\"Il s\u2019agit d\u2019une descente que je fais tous les jours pour dissuader les p\u00eacheurs d\u2019utiliser ces engins nocifs que sont les monofilaments.\">This is a walk that I take every day to dissuade fishermen from using the harmful\u00a0monofilament\u00a0gear.\u00a0<\/span><span title=\"Vous voyez tout autour qu\u2019ils continuent.\">You see all around that they continue.\u00a0<\/span><span title=\"Mais, parce que je suis engag\u00e9, m\u00eame si je devais continuer seul, je le ferai jusqu\u2019\u00e0 mon dernier souffle.\">But, because I am committed, even if I had to go on alone, I will do that until my last breath.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span id=\"result_box\" class=\"\" lang=\"en\"><span title=\"Et pourquoi un tel engagement vous me demandez ?\">And why such a commitment you ask me?\u00a0<\/span><span title=\"C\u2019est tout simplement pour des raisons li\u00e9es \u00e0 ce que j\u2019avais expliqu\u00e9 plus t\u00f4t.\">This is simply for reasons related to what I had explained earlier.\u00a0<\/span><span title=\"Comment peut-on appr\u00e9cier cette g\u00e9n\u00e9rosit\u00e9 des oc\u00e9ans et en abuser, sans rien faire face aux menaces que nous connaissons aujourd\u2019hui.\">How can we appreciate this generosity of the oceans and then abuse them, without doing anything in the face of the threats we have today?\u00a0<\/span><span title=\"C\u2019est facile de parler, mais je ne veux pas m\u2019en limiter l\u00e0.\">It&#8217;s easy to talk, but I do not want to stop there.\u00a0<\/span><span title=\"Il faut agir, m\u00eame si notre action n\u2019est qu\u2019une petite goutte d\u2019eau dans l\u2019oc\u00e9an.\">We must act, even if our action is only a small drop of water in the ocean.\u00a0<\/span><span title=\"Si chacun apportait sa goutte, cela pourrait peut-\u00eatre faire un oc\u00e9an.\">If everyone brought his or her own drop, we might be able to make an ocean.\u00a0<\/span><span title=\"Pour moi, ne pas s\u2019engager de la part de tous ceux qui se servent de cette g\u00e9n\u00e9rosit\u00e9 des oc\u00e9ans et \u00e0 commencer par nous les p\u00eacheurs, c\u2019est tout simplement \u00ab le suicide collectif \u00bb.\">For me, not to commit ourselves, that are all those who use this generosity of the oceans, and to start with us, the fishermen, is simply to commit \u00abcollective suicide\u00bb.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><strong>MM<\/strong>: Would you list for us what you consider the three greatest threats to the ocean? and explain why these?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dean Soumah<\/strong>:\u00a0<span id=\"result_box\" class=\"\" lang=\"en\"><span title=\"J\u2019ai l\u2019impression qu\u2019il n\u2019y a plus de morale.\"><span title=\"Ils sont de trois ordres.\">They are of three kinds.\u00a0<\/span><span title=\"Premi\u00e8rement, il y\u2019a le d\u00e9sordre qui est d\u00fb - pour des gens de mon \u00e2ge ayant v\u00e9cu autre chose \u2013 \u00e0 une sorte de d\u00e9r\u00e9gulation chez nous, en Afrique et m\u00eame au niveau mondial.\">First, there is the disorder that is due &#8211; for people of my age who have experienced something else &#8211; to some sort of deregulation in our country, in Africa and even at the global level.\u00a0<\/span><span title=\"Cette d\u00e9r\u00e9gulation est dict\u00e9e par l\u2019absence de morale.\">This deregulation is dictated by the absence of morality.\u00a0<\/span>I have the impression that there is no morality anymore.\u00a0<\/span><span title=\"Et quand il n'y a plus de morale et que seul l'argent imm\u00e9diatement gagn\u00e9 en quantit\u00e9 compte, le futur n'a pas de sens et \u00e0 partir de l\u00e0, il n'y a aucun cas de conscience : on pille, on\">And when there is no morality and only the big and fast money matters, the future does not make sense. And from that perspective, there is no case for conscience: we loot, we\u00a0<\/span><span title=\"pollue quels que soient les co\u00fbts sociaux, culturels ou environnementaux.\">pollute regardless of social, cultural or environmental costs.\u00a0<\/span><span title=\"Deuxi\u00e8mement, on a l\u2019impression que les administrations avaient plus de pouvoir pour sanctionner les diff\u00e9rentes compagnies qui utilisent les oc\u00e9ans, soit pour p\u00eacher, soit pour exploiter les mines en mer ou pour le transport des hydrocarbures.\">Secondly, there is the impression that the administrations used to have more power to sanction the various companies that use the oceans, either to fish, to exploit the minerals at sea or to transport hydrocarbons.\u00a0<\/span><span title=\"Les oc\u00e9ans sont devenus des poubelles pour ces compagnies et c'est plus pr\u00e9occupant chez nous en Afrique (compar\u00e9s aux pays riches) o\u00f9 la faiblesse de nos Etats ne permet pas de faire un suivi et appliquer des sanctions \u00e0 l'encontre de ces pilleurs pollueurs\">The oceans have become trash cans for these companies and it is more worrying for us in Africa (compared to rich countries) where the weakness of our states does not allow to follow up and apply sanctions against these companies which are\u00a0<span title=\"en m\u00eame temps. \">at the same time<\/span>\u00a0polluters and looters<\/span><span title=\"en m\u00eame temps. \">.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span id=\"result_box\" class=\"\" lang=\"en\"><span title=\"Enfin, pour parler de nous, les communaut\u00e9s de p\u00eacheurs, il y'a un fatalisme chez beaucoup d'entre nous et cette situation est aggrav\u00e9e par le fait que les administrations et les ONGs ont omis d'investir au niveau des communaut\u00e9s, des ports\">Finally, to talk about ourselves, the fishing communities, there is a fatalism among many of us. This situation is aggravated by the fact that the administrations and the NGOs have failed to invest at the level of the communities, the ports,\u00a0<\/span><span title=\"c'est-\u00e0-dire l\u00e0 o\u00f9 se pose le probl\u00e8me, dans un domaine prioritaire qu'est l'\u00e9ducation environnemental avec des outils appropri\u00e9s qui poussent les communaut\u00e9s aux m\u00eames \u00e0 agir apr\u00e8s avoir pris conscience des enjeux futurs.\">that is to say, where the problem lies. Little or nothing has been done in a priority area such as \u200b\u200benvironmental education with appropriate tools that encourage communities to act after becoming aware of future challenges.\u00a0<\/span><span title=\"C\u2019est bon de penser \u00ab r\u00e9gional, global \u00bb mais tout doit partir de nos sites, l\u00e0 o\u00f9 nous vivons et travaillons.\">It&#8217;s good to think \u00abregional, global\u00bb but everything must start from our places, where we live and work.\u00a0<\/span><span title=\"Sinon, tous ces efforts risquent d\u2019\u00eatre vains et la d\u00e9gradation de l\u2019\u00e9tat de sant\u00e9 des oc\u00e9ans se fait \u00e0 un rythme rapide et ne nous attend pas.\">Otherwise, all these efforts are likely to be in vain and the deterioration of the state of health of the oceans is happening at a rapid pace and does not wait for us (until when we understand).<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><strong>MM<\/strong>: What do you consider as priority actions to counteract these threats?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dean Soumah<\/strong>:\u00a0<span id=\"result_box\" class=\"\" lang=\"en\"><span title=\"La priorit\u00e9 est tout d\u2019abord, avant de penser \u00e0 des actions, de pousser \u00e0 prendre conscience du fait que toute action doit avoir un ancrage communautaire car le probl\u00e8me doit \u00eatre compris par des communaut\u00e9s.\">The priority is, even before thinking about specific actions, to make people aware of the fact that any action must be anchored in the community because the problem must be understood by the people in the community.\u00a0<\/span><span title=\"Mais tout concerne la part des responsabilit\u00e9s qui incombe \u00e0 nous vivant en Guin\u00e9e et dans la sous-r\u00e9gion.\">But everything is of concern to us as part of the responsibilities incumbent upon us living in Guinea and in the sub-region.\u00a0<\/span><span title=\"A partir de l\u00e0, il faut aussi oser changer d\u2019approche.\">From this vantage point, we must also dare to change our approach.\u00a0<\/span><span title=\"C\u2019est-\u00e0-dire au lieu de privil\u00e9gier les grandes rencontres qui co\u00fbtent chers sans (toujours) de r\u00e9els impacts, il faut y coupler des initiatives locales portant sur l\u2019\u00e9ducation environnementale.\">That is to say, instead of only calling big meetings which are expensive without (always) producing real impacts, it is necessary to couple these with local initiatives on environmental education.\u00a0<\/span><span title=\"De mani\u00e8re plus pr\u00e9cise, il faut que les ONGs et d'autres acteurs engag\u00e9s au niveau international aident les communaut\u00e9s de p\u00eacheurs \u00e0 s'approprier certaines connaissances basiques sur (i) le fonctionnement des oc\u00e9ans (ii) ses relations avec d'autres ph\u00e9nom\u00e8nes terrestres\">More specifically, there is a need for NGOs and other internationally engaged actors to assist fishing communities in acquiring some basic knowledge of (i) the functioning of the oceans (ii) their relationships with other terrestrial phenomena\u00a0<\/span><span title=\"et les facteurs qui d\u00e9s\u00e9quilibrent ces fonctionnements (iii) des informations sur l'\u00e9cologie des esp\u00e8ces que nous exploitons le plus en Guin\u00e9e et qui sont menac\u00e9es, etc.\">and the factors that throw these functions out of kilter; (iii) the ecology of the species that we use most in Guinea and which are threatened, etc.\u00a0<\/span><span title=\"Voil\u00e0 des choses que nous souhaiterions maitriser avec des illustrations.\">These are things we would like to master with illustrations and explanations.\u00a0<\/span><span title=\"Un atelier de ce genre \u00e0 m\u00eame ce quai pourrait faire couler de l\u2019encre car c\u2019est ce dont nous avons besoin mais personne n\u2019y pense.\">A workshop of this kind at this landing site could make the ink run because it&#8217;s what we need but no one thinks about it.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span id=\"result_box\" class=\"\" lang=\"en\"><span class=\"\">Now at the level of regulation, it is time to\u00a0<strong>apply<\/strong>\u00a0the measures, That&#8217;s the only solution to fight against the bad practices that endanger the health of the oceans. Where measures are not yet in place, it is necessary<\/span>\u00a0to put in place relevant laws as a matter of urgency.\u00a0<span class=\"\">The poor practices requiring regulation concern (i) IUU fishing for both artisanal and industrial fisheries (ii) ocean pollution by the mining industry and the transport of hydrocarbons.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><strong>MM<\/strong>: What could be the role for local action? for international or even global measures? How should the different levels interact?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dean Soumah<\/strong>: As I have already said, it is at the local level that we need to consider initiatives that concretely focus on training and raising the awareness of communities by providing them with easy-to-understand teaching tools. These tools must help them understand the functioning and importance of oceans as ecosystems as well as the factors driving their degradation and by what process. I want to tell you that we are ready to start the idea with you in Guinea if you can help us find ways to do a three-day workshop here.<\/p>\n<p>Now at the sub-regional or global levels, States must fight their corner in the various supra-national institutions (the Economic Community of West African States (ECOWAS), the West African Economic and Monetary Union (UEMOA), the African Union (AU)) to address international threats. Subregional NGOs also have a role at the international level in working better on ways how to reach communities. Otherwise their action remains little known to the public.<\/p>\n<p><strong>MM<\/strong>: What is your greatest wish for the ocean?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dean Soumah<\/strong>:\u00a0<span id=\"result_box\" class=\"\" lang=\"en\">First of all, the people (particularly the fishing communities) need to understand that this generosity of the ocean on which we depend until now can no longer be guaranteed with our practices. These communities understand that \u00abrecovering what is destroyed is not guaranteed because it is easier to destroy than to build.\u00bb For this we must do everything we can to help them understand the problem using visualising media. We do not need so many talks. Finally, I wish for strict laws to be finally produced and enforced to punish those who degrade the health of the oceans regardless of the type of activity leading to the degradation.<br \/>\n<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span class=\"\"><em><strong>Interview by Aliou Sall<\/strong><\/em> for\u00a0<em>Mundus maris<\/em>.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":4697,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[92],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-8476","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-entre-tradicion-y-modernidad"],"acf":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.mundusmaris.org\/es\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/8476","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.mundusmaris.org\/es\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.mundusmaris.org\/es\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.mundusmaris.org\/es\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.mundusmaris.org\/es\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=8476"}],"version-history":[{"count":5,"href":"https:\/\/www.mundusmaris.org\/es\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/8476\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":11925,"href":"https:\/\/www.mundusmaris.org\/es\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/8476\/revisions\/11925"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.mundusmaris.org\/es\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/4697"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.mundusmaris.org\/es\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=8476"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.mundusmaris.org\/es\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=8476"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.mundusmaris.org\/es\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=8476"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}